{"id":63847,"date":"2024-12-18T08:00:28","date_gmt":"2024-12-18T07:00:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dzogchentoday.org\/?p=63847"},"modified":"2024-12-17T19:42:59","modified_gmt":"2024-12-17T18:42:59","slug":"the-traditional-qualities-of-a-disciple","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dzogchentoday.org\/the-traditional-qualities-of-a-disciple\/","title":{"rendered":"The Traditional Qualities of a Disciple"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; background_color_gradient_direction=&#8221;75deg&#8221; background_image=&#8221;https:\/\/dzogchentoday.org\/wp-dzogtodaychen-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/concreteBackground.png&#8221; height=&#8221;250px&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||0px||false|false&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||0px||true|false&#8221; locked=&#8221;on&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; 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module_alignment=&#8221;left&#8221; custom_margin_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; custom_margin_phone=&#8221;&#8221; custom_margin_last_edited=&#8221;on|tablet&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;29px||29px||true|&#8221; quote_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; quote_font_size_phone=&#8221;&#8221; quote_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; saved_tabs=&#8221;all&#8221; locked=&#8221;off&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h5>Serie: The spiritual path in Dzogchen<\/h5>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>The traditional qualities of a disciple<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, it is said, asked his students to do only one thing to begin the path: <em>Have self-respect<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>It may not sound like much, but it is a lot.<\/p>\n<p>In this day and age, we are quite accustomed to many forms of self-respect, that are intrinsic to our living conditions. Our ecosystem is saturated with various forms of pollution, our food is often of poor quality, our work is unpleasant and stressful, our family relationships are not always ideal, our health suffers&#8230; The list of problems goes on and on.<\/p>\n<p>So having as a foundation stone the cultivation of self-respect, knowing one&#8217;s limits, knowing how to dedicate oneself to a cause but also knowing how to stop and rest, etc., in short, <em>finding the long time<\/em> <em>of oneself and a vision of oneself,<\/em> having a deep vision of our being, may not be a bad idea&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>In Tibetan, \u201cdisciple\u201d or, in our secularized context, \u201cstudent\u201d, is called \u201cdultcha\u201d (<em>gdul bya<\/em>), which means something like \u201cbeing to be tamed, disciplined, trained\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I like the metaphor of taming, because we&#8217;re all, in our own way, a bit like a wild animal that needs to be approached and tamed, step by step, gently. A wild animal that has treasures within itself, prodigious inner powers, but which squanders them in its thirst for illusory, wandering freedom &#8211; without being able to channel them in the direction of ultimate freedom, which is free of all concepts of freedom.\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #bf9e77;\">&#8220;&#8230; in our own way, a bit like a wild animal that needs to be approached and tamed, step by step, gently.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0This is not to say, then, that the method of taming should be seen as an act of violence or submission. On the contrary, the great tamers of resistant horses teach them to transcend their fear, body to body and breath to breath, to teach them something greater than themselves: to work together for the common good of all. The union of the two, in that moment, will transcend the simple binomial, to reach the immensity of space that contains the infinity of beings&#8230; to be tamed in their turn.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, that&#8217;s how it is: in the collaborative relationship with his teacher, the disciple gradually discovers the marvelous resources of this unique bond between all, resources he had only glimpsed at the beginning, and which make up the richness of his path, its joys as well as its challenges.<\/p>\n<p>The Dzogchen Tradition thus speaks of the three characteristics (<em>mtshan nyid gsum<\/em>) of the disciple, the three qualities that structure his path and will grow in intensity as he progresses along:<\/p>\n<p>First, (1) a clear mind (<em>blo gsal)<\/em> :<\/p>\n<p>You don&#8217;t have to have gone to university, you just have to be willing to ask yourself questions about the meaning of existence, to know how to question yourself, to take into account the lessons of your experiences, whether happy or unhappy. 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For, as the saying goes, \u201cYou don&#8217;t get taught unless you ask for it\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, (3) respect for the master(s) (<em>gus pa<\/em>):<\/p>\n<p>The term is translated as \u201crespect\u201d, but it also has a connotation of enthusiasm, deep appreciation, a sense of delight in beauty and grandeur; it&#8217;s <em>esteem<\/em> mixed with <em>humility<\/em>; depending on one&#8217;s temperament and terminological preferences, it could also be translated as \u201cdevotion\u201d or \u201creverence\u201d for the more <em>old school<\/em> among us.<\/p>\n<p>A word of caution here:<\/p>\n<p>Respect for the Master is certainly something natural, the spontaneous manifestation of a direct, deep connection that has always been there. It&#8217;s the experience of rediscovering what you&#8217;ve always been looking for, without ever being able to put a word or a face to it; for some, it&#8217;s like finding yourself in front of a very old relative, the ancestor of a forgotten family, closer and more intimate than any bond you&#8217;ve ever had before.<\/p>\n<p>For a certain number of us, however, this bond is quietly built through patient and measured observation of the master&#8217;s actions and words, which behave according to the <em>Four Attractions<\/em> (<em>bsdu ba bzhi<\/em>: giving what is necessary, kind words, conduct full of meaning and in accordance with the teachings, coherence between words and deeds). 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